The gag is simple: One magic wand, one magic wish. What would you do to change the Talent Acquisition landscape to make it better? We were at HR Tech 2022 asking industry leaders about their opinions on this crazy industry and how to improve it.
Guest Shane Bernstein (Founder and CEO of Rolebot) talks with William Tincup about removing the resume and job description. The resume is a self proclaimed document, but you can write anything in those things. They’re not always a great representation of the candidate, and on the other side neither is the job description. There’s embellishment on both ends, so we might as well just snip that part right out of the process.
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When I entered the staffing industry 17 years ago, I never imagined I’d one day be revolutionizing it. As a modern-day pioneer of the passive talent space, I started Rolebot, the only AI-powered Job Board for Passive Talent, to help companies skip the tireless research and courting so they can begin the recruitment process at the initial interview stage.Follow Follow
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William Tincup (00:19):
Ladies and gentlemen, it’s William Tincup. And we are broadcasting live from Jovio’s Booth in HR Tech in Vegas. A dear friend of mine, Shane Bernstein is with me today from Rolebot. Shane, would you introduce yourself?
Shane Bernstein (00:32):
Yep. Shane Bernstein, Rolebot. We’re an AI powered job board for passive talent. And sitting here with our greatest of friend, William Tincup.
William Tincup (00:41):
My friend. Oh, thank you for the compliment. And I’m giving you a magic wand. And if you could change anything about talent sourcing or the sourcing of talent, what would you change?
Shane Bernstein (00:54):
I would get rid of the resume and the job description.
William Tincup (00:57):
So let’s just kill both of these arcane things that have been lingering around. They didn’t work back then. They don’t work today. Let’s just kill them.
Shane Bernstein (01:06):
Yes, let’s kill them. So the resume is a self-proclaimed document. You can write anything you want. And people do and they match you exactly to the job description. By the time you get them in the interview, which also takes several weeks to get there, you’re talking to someone who doesn’t represent anything that they put on their resume. It’s not always the case, but it slows down the process tremendously, and it’s not a good reflection of what someone is, typically.
William Tincup (01:28):
You know what I love about this is earlier this week, somebody told me that candidates look at companies as commodities and companies look at candidates as commodities. And then what you’ve just done, it’s just like, listen, companies lie or maybe not lie.
Shane Bernstein (01:41):
William Tincup (01:42):
Embellish. Okay. That’s a better word. Thank you. Companies embellish in a job description, candidates embellish on their resume. So we’re dealing with this embellishment, our fraud that we have to then take out.
Shane Bernstein (01:53):
Exactly. When you have a conversation with someone, that’s when you really find out what they can do. You go beyond what they just write on a resume. You understand if they’re the right fit or not. The resume itself gets you in the door, but it’s really a false, it’s kind of like a false positive almost.
William Tincup (02:06):
Shane Bernstein (02:07):
Wastes a lot of time, resources, energy, effort, and gives you anxiety.
William Tincup (02:10):
Drops mic, walks off stage. Thank you so much, Shane.
Shane Bernstein (02:14):
Speaker 4 (02:15):
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William is the President & Editor-at-Large of RecruitingDaily. At the intersection of HR and technology, he’s a writer, speaker, advisor, consultant, investor, storyteller & teacher. He's been writing about HR and Recruiting related issues for longer than he cares to disclose. William serves on the Board of Advisors / Board of Directors for 20+ HR technology startups. William is a graduate of the University of Alabama at Birmingham with a BA in Art History. He also earned an MA in American Indian Studies from the University of Arizona and an MBA from Case Western Reserve University.