The gag is simple: One magic wand, one magic wish. What would you do to change the Talent Acquisition landscape to make it better? We were at HR Tech 2022 asking industry leaders about their opinions on this crazy industry and how to improve it.

Guest Erin McCalister of MGM talks with William Tincup about the gap between our actions and the data. There’s a lot of organizations not following a data driven approach, which is honestly just ridiculous.

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Erin McCallister, M.A., SHRM-CP
Recruitment Marketing Manager MGM Follow

Announcer 1 (00:01):

You’re listening to the Recruiting Daily Podcast. We’re recording from HR Tech in Vegas.

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Here’s your host, William Tincup.

William Tincup (00:19):

Ladies and gentlemen, this is William Tin cup. And we are broadcasting live from Jovio’s Booth at HR 10.

We have a guest on today. And I want her to introduce herself. So please, do me a favor and introduce yourself.

Erin McCalister (00:31):

My name is Erin McCalister. I am the Recruitment Marketing Manager for MGM Resorts International.

William Tincup (00:37):

And MGM owns a number of brands.

Erin McCalister (00:40):

Just a few. Yes.

William Tincup (00:41):

Just a few. Just a few. We’re in one of them right now, at the Mandalay?

Erin McCalister (00:44):


William Tincup (00:46):

Listen. The question I want to ask you, but first before I ask you that question, is I want to hand you a magic wand.

Erin McCalister (00:51):


William Tincup (00:52):

Okay? So, you have a wand.

Erin McCalister (00:53):


William Tincup (00:54):

And if you could fix anything about talent sourcing, what would you fix?

Erin McCalister (00:59):

I would fix the gap between what we think we’re doing versus what the data actually tells us we’re doing.

William Tincup (01:06):

Oh, that’s nice.

Erin McCalister (01:06):


I would like to say that there’s a lot of big names out there. “Well, we have to go with this. We have to go with that.” And there’s not a lot of connecting the dots that says, “Yeah, the data backs them up.” Just because they’ve got a big name doesn’t mean that they’re the right solution.

William Tincup (01:26):

Oh, that’s fantastic.

Erin McCalister (01:26):

So, yeah, I’d like to see the data back up what we think we should be doing versus what actually makes sense.

William Tincup (01:32):

What I love about that is the anecdotes and myths and things like that that proliferate our industry.

Erin McCalister (01:38):


William Tincup (01:38):

And you’re saying, “Yes. Cool. Look at the data, specifically your data, and then adjust accordingly.”

Erin McCalister (01:47):

Right. Exactly. Yep.

William Tincup (01:49):

What’s great about that also is it’s calibration. Because you’re calibrating for jobs, you’re calibrating for the company. Almost each job, you’re calibrating for that audience.

Erin McCalister (01:57):

It’s not one size fits all, ever.

William Tincup (01:59):

Right. Love it. Thank you so much for carving out time for us.

Erin McCalister (02:03):

Yeah. Thank you.

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William Tincup

William is the President & Editor-at-Large of RecruitingDaily. At the intersection of HR and technology, he’s a writer, speaker, advisor, consultant, investor, storyteller & teacher. He's been writing about HR and Recruiting related issues for longer than he cares to disclose. William serves on the Board of Advisors / Board of Directors for 20+ HR technology startups. William is a graduate of the University of Alabama at Birmingham with a BA in Art History. He also earned an MA in American Indian Studies from the University of Arizona and an MBA from Case Western Reserve University.


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